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red_velvet27
‘This Is the F–ing Mayor, Please Hire This Woman’
cue shit-eating grin.
Slartibartfatsdomino
If that giant douchebag put in a good word with me, I’d never hire her, that’s for sure. Particularly considering the shameful performance of his police dept. just this past week (or any other week, for that matter).
Bart Farbler
You can’t be serious. I say that having been there. Do you live here? Shameful? Hardly. Yes, there was casualty involved, albeit minor, and I don’t condone police brutality. However, if you’re speaking of the incident at Michigan and Cermak, the one where all the photos are from (did you see the one where a cop had a stick broken over his head?), and the one that broke out in metered violence (also, the cop that got stabbed in the leg?), it’s a MIRACLE they didn’t use tear gas. Tense situations like this, where cops were on call for two weeks straight, on 14 hour shifts, and you’re basing this on a handful of pictures from some newsfeed that gets paid by the pageview? isn’t that what they were protesting about?
No, that’s right. It was about medals. Veterans giving their medals back, throwing them in the street to protest the unjust wars perpetrated by NATO. That was justified. They’re veterans, and they can do what they want. The actions of the Nations represented in McCormick place may have been shameful, but aside from a handful of police officers, literally a handful, controlling an unlawful assembly with no place to go after their permit to protest had expired, there was no shame in their actions.
Did you see the police swarm drop to a knee, check their gas masks, and then stand back up? I did. It was a show of solidarity with the protesters, to show that they were there to keep the peace on that 90 degree day, and they were prepared to use what was necessary for crowd control, but they didn’t. They assumed a subservient position, dropping to their knees, while bottles were being thrown at them.
Here’s what you didn’t see: Cops sharing water bottles with protesters. Older activists NOT GETTING INTO TROUBLE. Peacekeepers. On both sides. Aside from batons being used for a brief period when protesters took control of the barricades and began moving them to expand their territory, there was no overt assertion of strength or physical dominance other than containment.
This took place out my window. I’d gladly take the actions of the CPD this weekend over any other police department in the country. Oakland? Nope. New York? No thanks.
The whole world WASN’T watching. They just caught the cliff’s notes on HuffPo. Don’t judge the ideas of the masses by the actions of a few.
Slartibartfatsdomino
‘Cuz the Chicago police are well known for their probity. Did you catch my “any other week” comment? And, frankly, I see the terrorism charges against the “anarchists” as a pretty obvious set-up. That was Chicago PD too. A few cops didn’t act like thugs (in certain circumstances), great. Many others did. I’m also used to cops at protests acting all nicey-nice towards one group, where the cameras are, and coming down hard on other groups when they think they can get away with it and then counting on folks like you to say, “Well, did you see how nice they were? How can you complain about police brutality?” Tried and true, works every time on some folks.
Anyway, my antipathy towards Mr. Emmanuel goes back to his time in Congress and extends through his period as Mr. Obama’s Chief of Staff, so I’m not basing it just on this past week.
Bart Farbler
Are you from Chicago? Do you live in the city proper, currently?
Slartibartfatsdomino
No, and no. Were you down watching all the protests? Did you witness each and every protester-cop interaction and record it for posterity?
Bart Farbler
If you’re asking if I was in the shit, yeah. I was in the shit.
I don’t think we’re reading each other’s comments. I watched it from my window.
Slartibartfatsdomino
You watched one part of it from your window (which is apparently “in the shit,” you big bad man you.)
Tell me how the pre-emptive arrests were justified. Tell me how the multiple raids on alleged “anarchist” hang-outs were justified (did you watch those from your window as well?). Tell me how the common harassment of people that looked like protesters at subways stops was justified (I assume you saw those from your window). Tell me how the kettling tactics of the police were justified (I assume you saw the police operations planning meetings from your window, as well).
Anyway, like I said, I’m glad that you saw all that from your window and therefore can provide us with the complete skinny on what went down over the entire city of Chicago, unlike those of us that weren’t there.
Bart Farbler
You missed my Rushmore quote. This game is over. Downvoted.
Slartibartfatsdomino
I don’t downvote, because I believe in free speech. But whatever rocks your boat…
…from your window.
Bart Farbler
Downvoting is the voicing of an opinion as well.
Slartibartfatsdomino
And one that leads to censorship if enough downvotes accumulate, as you well know. Which is why I don’t downvote, because I believe in robust free speech.
Bart Farbler
No, I didn’t know that.
Slartibartfatsdomino
Well, now you do.
Sabura
just an fyi (I’m in an fyi mood tonight): The “censorship” is simply the “hiding” of the comment, but it’s still accessible by clicking, not actually deleted. Like this comment above red_velvet27′s “Get ready to be downvoted” comment here: http://dailyoftheday.com/people-who-shouldnt-own-animals/#comment-539185670 I think it takes maybe 4 downvotes for a comment to be “hidden”?
Slartibartfatsdomino
Just curious though, is your sensitivity about defending Emannuel because he was part of the Obama administration, merely because he’s a Dem, because he’s the mayor of your town (do you work for the city?), or what?
Not having those tribal affiliations, I feel free to call him out as a warmongering, authoritarian, corporate-stooge. You probably save all your righteous moral fire only for the Republicans, don’t you?
Bart Farbler
I support him because he gets the job done, and his hands aren’t as dirty as Daley’s, nor will they ever be. However, it takes a bit of dirt to run this town, and Gerry Chico wouldn’t represent the town in the way it needed to survive. Who else would you have voted for? Don’t say Carol Moseley Braun.
Slartibartfatsdomino
Chthulhu, because I don’t believe in the lesser of two evils.
Bart Farbler
I see what you did there. Pretty clever. So you have no horse in the race?
Slartibartfatsdomino
The Chicago mayoral race? Or the Romney-Obama race? Absolutely none in the first, and not enough to make me vote for Obama in the second, as much as Romney will be just about as bad.
But this is my last comment for the night, I have friends waiting for me at the pool hall. They will be pleased that I vented my political spleen here though, so they thank you at least.
Slartibartfatsdomino
Not only that, but did you pay attention to the pre-emptive arrests prior to the mass protests? Arrests of videographers, arrests of the so-called “anarchists”? I actually wasn’t talking about the Michigan and Cernak moment. But you get to smear with a “huffpo” comment, so clever of you, and dismiss everything I’m saying because you actually happen to be in Chicago, like you weren’t in your domicile watching it on the TV mostly.
Bart Farbler
Did you hear about the Ohio Bridge plot from the week before? Connected. Did you see their “beer brewing” set up? Peculiar to say the least. With my town being as connected to microbrews as half a Portland, there’s no way that was a beer set up.
Also, keep in mind that like the M&C moment, protesters are often times there to skirt, if not openly flaunt, their opposition to the laws in place for a contentious event like NATO. Do you disagree? If protesters had shown up at the appointed times, heard their speakers, and dropped off their petitions on the doorstep of the Cultural Center, it would have been fine. However, en masse, they tied up streets and parkways in the loop and beyond, loitered after clearly stated hours in public places, littered beyond belief, and treated the downtown with such disrespect, including landmarks, residents, and police officers.
Slartibartfatsdomino
“If protesters had shown up at the appointed times, heard their speakers, and dropped off their petitions on the doorstep of the Cultural Center, it would have been fine. However, en masse, they tied up streets and parkways in the loop and beyond, loitered after clearly stated hours in public places, littered beyond belief, and treated the downtown with such disrespect, including landmarks, residents, and police officers.”
Oh, woe is me! Were protesters disruptive?? Well, clearly they deserve any abuse that can be meted out. What we need is more polite protesters. Hopefully ones that protest from their windows.
Bart Farbler
They left the city a mess. I don’t dislike them for their views, of which they held no concrete ones, but merely for their plan of attack. Breach the wall of cops at McCormick. Then what?
Slartibartfatsdomino
“I don’t dislike them for their views, of which they held no concrete ones.”
Because you talked to all of them…
…from your window.
That’s a mighty powerful window you got. Bart and his magic window.
Bart Farbler
You’ve gotta stop. You’re incredibly dislikeable. When did this happen? Are you Alan?
Slartibartfatsdomino
You just are mad because I disagreed with you vociferously. Liberals don’t like criticism from the left, I’ve noticed. They think they’ve staked that ground. Sorry, not so much, there’s still a few of us actual leftists around (you even saw a few from your window, I bet!).
Don’t worry, when the reactionaries show up, we’ll be on the same side (sometimes)
*kisses*
Now, seriously, I’m outta here. Off to shoot some pool. You said you couldn’t care about substantive responses about NATO below (which of course demonstrates the deep seriousness of your complaints that the protesters had no “concrete views”), so I’ll take you at your word and consider this the end of the conversation.
[edit] I have no idea who Alan is.
Sabura
edit: deleted; not as edifying as I originally thought, eh.
Slartibartfatsdomino
Tell you what though, I’m about to head to the bar to shoot some pool, and then after that, I’m probably just coming home and collapsing in bed, but if you would like, I will wake up tomorrow and tell you what concrete views I would have been expressing had I been in Chicago. Would you like that?
Bart Farbler
I probably won’t care.
http://www.jamespoynton.tumblr.com/ J_P
The woman looks like she’s just farted and is giggling about it, and the woman behind her is having a satisfying sniff.
red_velvet27
No comment about the tablecloth on the right?
http://zombo.com/ DickCheney
See how you can’t see his right middle finger? Magic!
Chicago’s answer to Michael Bloomberg (who himself is illegally Major for a third term, despite being quite vocal about not giving Giuliani an extra term after 9/11 but then paid to change the law and no one cared) is nothing but a corrupt criminal douche in his own right.
Bart Farbler
With Ryan and Blagojevich in prison, and Daley indictable on so many counts, you’re concerned about a tiny Jewish man with a bad temper and half a finger? He’s unapologetic, but he hasn’t done anything blatantly criminal yet, at least on the Daley scale.
He probably will have to. Greasing palms is how Metropoles stay afloat. The new generation learned from the best, with tips to former mayors of both Chicago and New York for that one.
Dexter Morgan
You condone corruption and bribery, there’s really nothing else for me to say.
Bart Farbler
You fail to acknowledge that it is a necessary part of government.
Dexter Morgan
There’s not a thing about you that doesn’t completely disgust me. Good day, sir.